Vanessa Grutman [00:00:00]:
Welcome back to the energy upgrade. This is Vanessa Grutman, your host, and today I have such a fantastic conversation in store for you. I am receiving no other than Kathleen Cameron, a fellow canadian who is a success life and manifestation coach like no other, an eight figure entrepreneur and a record breaking authorization. What is so interesting is that Kathleen was a registered nurse and that's how she built her first round of leadership, if you will, and then she left that in 2019. At the time, she was heavily involved in network marketing, and that's really what allowed her to take the leap and start deciding how she would really build this new business. And since she has started the Diamond Academy coaching back in January 2020, and she has impacted more than 100 people and she's helped them attract more love, money and success into their lives with her determination, her unwavering faith that you're going to hear about, and the powers of manifestation. Her innovative approaches to manifestation and utilizing the laws of attraction have led to the creation of one of the top global success networks, which is the Diamond Academy coaching. You will see that she is so, so vibrant, so alive.
Vanessa Grutman [00:01:32]:
She is just embodying this frequency of love for herself, for others, for everything that she is doing. And this conversation was just so beautiful and juicy. I loved every minute of it. Now, you have to know, she also wrote a book called becoming the one, and that book launched in August 2021 and it became an international bestseller in five countries on the first day. I don't know about you, but I had never heard of that before, like, so she is a powerhouse. She is a beautiful soul, and I'm so glad she is here with us today to talk about manifestation, about love, about wealth, all the things. So buckle up, my friends. This is a beautiful one.
Vanessa Grutman [00:02:18]:
Let's go. Kathleen, welcome to the energy upgrade. It is such a pleasure to have you with me here today.
Kathleen Cameron [00:02:27]:
Oh, I'm so blessed to be here. And I always say that everything happens just so divinely. So this conversation, you know, God led me to you, and here we are chatting.
Vanessa Grutman [00:02:37]:
So, yeah, literally, we found each other on social media, and I, you know, I always say social media is not all that bad. And here's another proof. Again, today you reached out, you saw one of my ads, out of all things, and you're like, I love this branding. Like, tell me more.
Kathleen Cameron [00:02:55]:
I loved it.
Vanessa Grutman [00:02:57]:
We started connecting that way, which is incredible. So it is also a big pleasure for me to have this conversation because I trust that it's going to take us in a very exquisite place. And for people who don't know, you. Maybe we could start with the very, very beginning of you because you like, it just blows my mind to think that you were a registered nurse because your embodiment now, today is, like, nothing. Like, probably the version of you from, you know, those years. So I'd love to hear your evolution recently.
Kathleen Cameron [00:03:34]:
Oh, gosh, yeah, of course. No, five years ago, like, I was a completely different woman, and I was the same woman, but I believed I was different. Let's say that the really, really interesting thing was, you know, when I decided to quit my nursing career, that was such a powerful act of faith. And I was in network marketing at the time. And so I went, okay, I'm gonna put all my energy over there, and it's sure to grow. And then it didn't really happen that way. Everything started to kind of go a bit backwards after I quit. And, you know, and it was like, oh, no, what do I do? What do I do? And I'm like, you know what? I think I'm gonna.
Kathleen Cameron [00:04:05]:
I'm gonna dig into mindset. I think that's what I need. And I don't know why I thought that or where it came from, but it was just like, this is what I'm gonna do. So not long after that, I end up on a free training somewhere on Facebook, a mindset training. And I got introduced to Bob Proctor. Started learning from him. He's from the movie the Secret. He's also canadian.
Kathleen Cameron [00:04:23]:
He lived in Thornhill, actually, just north of Toronto. And I started learning from him, and immediately I was like, wow, this is magical. And my life started to change. My business was growing. I started recruiting, selling more. I started manifesting money and giveaways and prizes, and, like, everything started to just show up for me. I would write it down and it would happen. And so I started teaching the material.
Kathleen Cameron [00:04:45]:
So, January of 2020, I launched my coaching business alongside Bob first. So I licensed one of his courses and coached and facilitated one of his programs for a little while, and then branched out into all my own intellectual property and all of my own courses and programs. But we've made a significant impact in the past four years, and several people see the money, the millions of dollars. I think we're just about. If we haven't hit it yet, we'll be at 30 million in the past four years. And people see the money, and it's like they want that. It's like a shiny, fancy thing. But I have to say, though, it's the transformation that happened in order for me to become a woman that could hold the space and the energy and the vibration of 30 million.
Kathleen Cameron [00:05:27]:
And so there was a lot of energetic work, a lot of self concept and identity work, a lot of shifting in who I'm being in every moment to match to her. And so I'm super grateful. But there's a lot of self love, there's a lot of understanding myself and self awareness, and also trust in God and the universe. Source energy, whatever language you like to use. I'm super inclusive with that. I use the God language, but I believe in my oneness and I direct source energy with my thoughts every single day. And I'm grateful for that skill that I learned starting in 2019.
Vanessa Grutman [00:06:03]:
Oh, my gosh. What? Where do we take this from now? This is amazing. Okay, I'm just curious. As I hear you speak, I do want to go back to holding the vibration of 30 million. But first, I want to know a little bit more about this. Like your own flavor of manifestation, because, of course, it's everywhere. Everybody talks about it, and I'd love to really hear you speak about your own point of view on that.
Kathleen Cameron [00:06:32]:
Yeah, it's taken a little while for me to really formulate what my philosophy is and the way that I see it and everything I do is from experience. So I try not to teach from books, but to teach from the ways in which I've embodied information and then experienced it in my life. And so I really, it's a lot of, like, looking back at, like, what has happened, what has occurred, what have I shifted, what have I changed, and what did that do for my outside 3d world? So what I've really summed it up to be, I used to say spirituality meets peak performance, but I've changed that because I don't want to be a peak performer. Yeah, it's not about that. It's actually about growth, personal growth. So now I say my manifestation philosophy is spirituality meets personal growth and development. So, yes, I'm going to connect to spirit. I'm going to become in spirit.
Kathleen Cameron [00:07:23]:
I'm going to have spiritual practices and all that kind of stuff. But I'm also going to personally grow and develop every single day. My own self awareness of who I am is actually the main focus of every single day. Most people are living without, I'm living within. So I'm in a period right now. I'm not reading any books, listening to any podcasts. I'm not studying human design like, I am inside.
Vanessa Grutman [00:07:44]:
Mm hmm.
Kathleen Cameron [00:07:45]:
And so when I look like that means a lot of self reflection, introspection, it's being with my own thoughts. It's going on awareness walks. So I go outside and I just walk with myself. It's, it's listening, it's paying attention, it's being open to receive. It's a lot of trusting my intuition and doing things from that place. Yeah.
Vanessa Grutman [00:08:08]:
Yeah.
Kathleen Cameron [00:08:08]:
So not, not so much looking for the outside world to validate me, but just validating myself.
Vanessa Grutman [00:08:13]:
Yeah. And it's important to really talk about this embodiment piece because I think this is what has burned the coaching industry so much in the past. Right. We have these people telling you what to do, but they can't even do it for themselves. And looking, I love that you're using, you know, introspection and looking back at your own life and connecting the dots like Steve Jobs was saying, you know, really being like, oh, wait a minute, when I did that and this and this, it actually worked. So this is the best.
Kathleen Cameron [00:08:42]:
It's so beautiful. And I think I used to be somebody that would seek information outside of myself. So I would read more books and I would take more courses and I would do this and I would do that. And what I actually realized is that I thought I was missing something. Like, I thought I didn't know something. I thought that somebody else could give me that. And when I really, really realized that, it's actually within me. The seeking of information now is a want, not a need.
Kathleen Cameron [00:09:09]:
So, like, when I do want to read a book, it's like, oh, that book looks good, I'm gonna read it. Not, I'm gonna read this book because this book is gonna change me and it's gonna help me and it's gonna give me the secret. You know, it's like it's all already here.
Vanessa Grutman [00:09:20]:
Yeah. It doesn't come from the limiting belief that you are broken, that something needs to be fixed. Right. That's often what I see. And I'm sure that as a result, you're attracting women that are also in that phase in their life where they're not looking for a savior to come and fix them, but rather they understand that all they need is to be to awaken to the power within.
Kathleen Cameron [00:09:46]:
Absolutely. And one thing that I always say is like, it's not, it's not the course or the program that's going to change you. It's going to be the work that you do inside through being alongside me and being in my energy. So it's not anything that I have that you're going to gain from me, but it's simply just a roadmap that I provide you to find and remember who and what you really are.
Vanessa Grutman [00:10:07]:
Mm hmm. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. I want to go back to. Well, we'll talk about wealth, because I know this is like something that's a big topic for you and here, you know, Canadians. It's something like. I don't know, I just feel like it's something that is still so taboo.
Vanessa Grutman [00:10:24]:
And I just believe it's important to show and to inspire women. That is possible. But you said something about, you know, everybody wants to make 30 millions or everybody wants to make a million or ten or whatever. How many millions? But we also need to grow our capacity to hold and receive that, which is what you said, and it's so true. And I'd love to hear how because, I mean, I'm sure you got your first million and then you grew to, like, where did you feel like it got stuck maybe for a while, or where did you feel you had to do the biggest work?
Kathleen Cameron [00:11:00]:
Yeah. So I'll just touch about what. What that means to me to be able to hold the energy of 30 million. So in order for you to be open, to receive that amount of money, you have to also be okay with losing that amount of money. Like, you have to be okay with the flux, the contrast, the change that's going to happen in your life when you start to hold that much. And so some people want to make $100,000 a month in their business, but they aren't open to receive it because they haven't set up the structures in place to be able to manage and to deal and to do so. For example, you want to make 100,000 a month in your business, but you don't even want to spend 5000 on an upgrade of your website. It actually doesn't compute if you think about it.
Kathleen Cameron [00:11:42]:
So it's really like being the version of you that has what it is that you desire. What kind of decisions would they make? How would they think? How would they feel? How would they behave? How would they show up? But the biggest shift for me, actually was so interesting. By the time 2022 rolled around, I'd done over 20 million in revenue and the business was just absolutely booming. And I had turned my focus upon loving myself for the woman that I was in my body. So I stopped shaming myself, guilting myself for being plus size. And I just said, you know what? Plus size is not a bad thing. I'm just going to decide that being in a larger stature body is my superpower. And so here we go.
Kathleen Cameron [00:12:24]:
I'm going to inspire the world and show all of these women in larger bodies just what they can do. And so I did that, and January of 2022 rolled around, and there was a little bit of disconnect. And what I mean by that is, like, my own consciousness was like, well, hold on, Kathleen. Like, yes, you can love yourself no matter what your body looks like, but are you treating your body with love? And what I realized was that I wasn't. So I was drinking alcohol. I was never moving my body. I was eating fried foods, processed foods. You know, I was just doing things that a woman who believed she was healthy would not do and a woman that absolutely loved herself would not do.
Kathleen Cameron [00:13:02]:
And so I decided that January of 2022 was going to be my year of health. So I had the word health for 2022. I started walking every morning. April of 2022, I end up in the hospital with pneumonia and had to go have lung surgery. In May 10 of 2022, I was in the ICU, had a chest tube. My lung was the size of a quarter. Okay, for Americans, that's twenty five cents. I don't know if they call it quarters in America, but it was completely trapped, and I had to have emergency lung surgery to retrieve it.
Kathleen Cameron [00:13:35]:
But it was so beautiful because I got what I asked for. I asked for greater health. And God provided me with an opportunity to show myself my healing abilities, to show me to have faith and trust in God, and that I would be okay and everything would be fine. And then it gave me an opportunity to step into a healthy version of myself. So now I'm loving myself to find the best of myself through healthy behaviors. And, like, listen, I'm past the point of, like, I need to be perfect. For me, it's like, if I can treat my body 80% to 90% of the time healthy, and then I make a choice in love to eat something that I don't consider healthy or take a day off without exercising. No pressure, no harm, no foul.
Kathleen Cameron [00:14:20]:
I'm just existing as this healthy woman now. So that was my biggest growth, was actually to realize that I didn't believe that I was health. And so in order to switch to health, I've now flourished in more ways. So I call it, like, my journey of becoming the wholeness of who I am. And so, yeah, I had all the money, and, yeah, I loved myself, and I loved my body. Life was really good, but I could have been a little bit more whole. And so I became a little bit more whole. Now, in terms of adding that extra piece of, like, true health for myself now.
Vanessa Grutman [00:14:55]:
And that wholeness allowed you to go to the next level, even in terms of wealth.
Kathleen Cameron [00:15:01]:
Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, because if you think about it, right, like, what is wealth? It's different than health. So some people who say that wealth, health is wealth, I'm like, well, okay. You're basically saying you're okay with just being healthy and not wealthy. So I want to be healthy and wealthy. I think we can have that experience, and I want to increase the capacity for both. So now, for me, it's like, there's this effortlessness now to the wealth.
Kathleen Cameron [00:15:27]:
There's actually this care that I take of myself. I rest, I recover, I work out, I eat nutritiously, I do things like yoga and more meditation and things like that. From a standpoint of, like, I'm thriving and not because I think I should do them. So it allowed me to release a lot of the heaviness that lies in the pressure and the guilt and the shame that we have for, well, you should be better, Kathleen, or you should look better. You should get up at 05:00 a.m. and go to the gym every morning. No, I don't want to. And I don't have to.
Kathleen Cameron [00:16:01]:
So I'm like, you know what? I'm going to be a billionaire who, like, never gets up before seven.
Vanessa Grutman [00:16:08]:
I love it. I'm not a morning person either. Like, I will never say, like, you got to wake up at four. I'm like, I don't know. It doesn't work with me. And if it works with you, great. But I I love that you're basically putting the lens of love for everything, whether it is money, whether it is your health, whether it is your spirituality, whether it is your body. I love how you said, was it, did you say weight neutral?
Kathleen Cameron [00:16:33]:
Weight neutral health journey? Yeah. What I was actually finding, Vanessa, you'll know this for a little bit from healthcare, but, like, even in my healthcare days and as a nurse, we would, we would say to people, like, okay, well, you need to lose weight to be more healthy. And when I disconnected the idea of weight and health and let them be separate, so I can be 300 pounds and healthy. I can be 180 pounds and healthy. I can be 90 pounds and healthy. And so the whole issue of body image, especially for us women in a plus size body, will say, oh, well, it's hard to be fat. But then I, and people that are in a thin frame body will say, well, people will say negative things like, I can see your ribs. And so all of us have that same idea.
Kathleen Cameron [00:17:13]:
And it's the idea that our health and our weight are actually linked. So I removed it. Now I am on a weight neutral health journey. So I don't have a scale. I threw it out the last time I was at the doctor. I know I've released over 100 pounds, but I don't really care. Like, the number doesn't mean anything. What actually means something is the woman that I've become in order to take care of my body in this way.
Kathleen Cameron [00:17:38]:
And I love her and I want her to last a long time. I'm not doing it because I think she's bad. Like before, like every other time in my life. It's always been a punishment.
Vanessa Grutman [00:17:48]:
Exactly. Yeah. You get to do this. It changes everything.
Kathleen Cameron [00:17:52]:
Yeah. Yeah, it really does.
Vanessa Grutman [00:17:54]:
When you said you release the link between. Because let's face it, whatever it is here, in this case, it's the number on the scale. We make it mean something about us. Right? And that's the trap about anything, about an emotion, about a situation or circumstance, a quote unquote failure, quote unquote success. We always make it mean something about us. And I'm curious about, because you said I disconnected health and weight. And I'm curious how, like, how you teach to do this. I mean, it goes back to embodiment, but how you teach this, like, disconnecting, because it's easier said than done, let's face it.
Kathleen Cameron [00:18:33]:
You know, one of the things that I did first that was so fun was, you know, when I was on my journey before when I got out of hospital, they wanted me to track it. So I was using the scale and I was tracking it, and I would see the numbers and they would impact me. So if the scale would go up one week, I would have a feeling about it. If it would go down the next week, I would have a feeling about it, I would be happy about it. And then if the number didn't go down enough, I would have a feeling about it. So I was noticing that it wasn't actually the number that meant anything, but it was the reaction that I was having to the number that was impacting me and my mood and the way that I was showing up. And if we know manifestation, then we know that if we just be who we desire to be, the outside world will match it. So if I am health and I love myself in every way, shape or form, the number will eventually just reflect whatever that means to me.
Kathleen Cameron [00:19:25]:
But it's just a measuring tool. But I was reacting to the measurement. So what I actually did first and what I have a lot of people do is change it from whatever metric you're used to that makes sense to you, change it to the other one. So I have no idea what kilograms means, but I know what pounds means. Like, in my head, like, 200 pounds. Holy crap. I would have a reaction to that. 300 pounds, I would have a reaction to that because the world has told me what that means and that it's bad or that it's wrong.
Kathleen Cameron [00:19:53]:
But when I switched it over to kilograms and it was like, 69.1, I'm like, I don't know what that means. Like, it doesn't mean a thing to me. So, okay. So I started being neutral to the number, and then I was like, wow, I just released this whole thing. So it's the same thing with our. With money and watching our bank accounts. Yeah, right. Like, if you're watching your bank account and you're having a reaction to what you're seeing in your bank account, even if it's a good one or a bad one, your vibration is being impacted by the outside world.
Kathleen Cameron [00:20:25]:
Stop watching it or change the currency. It's the same thing. But those are little tricks that I do to make my mind remain neutral to the outside world is to just change the meaning of what it is.
Vanessa Grutman [00:20:40]:
Wow. Okay, I'm curious. Have you ever changed the currency of your bank account?
Kathleen Cameron [00:20:45]:
Well, our bank account goes between two, right? So we have canadian bank accounts and we have USD bank accounts. But what I have done before is I've gone and calculated it into pounds so that it feels different. And then one time I actually converted it into rupees, and then it felt really abundant because rupees is like. Like, very, very different. Very, very different.
Vanessa Grutman [00:21:07]:
Oh, my goodness.
Kathleen Cameron [00:21:09]:
I love that it allows you to remain neutral because all it is is the meaning. Like, that's the biggest thing is, like, it's whatever that number means to you that creates the outcome.
Vanessa Grutman [00:21:19]:
This meaning piece is so important. So I'm glad we've talked about that because it comes and, like, sneaks in everything in relationship, in parenting, in how we like how we attract new clients, how it's everything, because it's always related to what we make it mean about us.
Kathleen Cameron [00:21:39]:
Oh, for sure. And you know what's another really good one is marriage and divorce. So I, in February of 2022, separated from my husband at the time, and we'd been together for 17 years. And I remember journaling about what this means for me. And I talked to somebody on a call once, and she said something about how she has a failed marriage. Oh, my gosh. There's a beautiful butterfly right at my window right now, which is my spirit sign. Hello.
Kathleen Cameron [00:22:06]:
Hence, I'm wearing the butterfly necklace. But. But she said to me, I have a failed marriage. And when she said it, I was like, whoa, why do we believe that? Like, why is getting married and then deciding to no longer be married to that person a failure? Society has taught us that. But is that the truth of. Is that the truth of it? No, it's not. And I would venture to say that most divorces actually end up better off than they were before. So in any.
Kathleen Cameron [00:22:37]:
In. In all respects, it's not a failure at all, but could be interpreted as a success. So, for me now, with my. I don't even like to call them my ex, my business partner, the father of my beautiful babies, our relationship just transitions to a new form, and I actually believe that the new form is better off for both of us. So I do believe it's a success. It's an ascension, it's an expansion. But you have to give that meaning to your own experience. Like, you can't listen to what other people say.
Vanessa Grutman [00:23:06]:
Oh, right, the outside noise. But like you said, it's back to you, back to your truth. And I love. I ask this question to my clients all the time, also. Is that the truth? Is that the truth about you? And not with your head, but with your heart? And often it's like, no. Okay, well, why are we talking about this, then?
Kathleen Cameron [00:23:24]:
You know what I always say? Okay, according to who? Like, who says? Because then you realize, well, no, it's not like anybody says. It's just, that's the way that it is. And then you realize, who says, well, me, because I believe it to be true. I now am creating that reality. So I'm the one who says, so let's not think that way anymore.
Vanessa Grutman [00:23:46]:
Boom. Yeah, you said something about. I'm just trying to put. Remember exactly the words you said. Okay, geez. But about, like, the basically laws of attraction. And I'd love to, you know, if you had, like, one place that you help, let's say, your women entrepreneur with, like, what is usually the first thing that you're noticing gets in the way when it comes to, like, law of attraction or, you know.
Kathleen Cameron [00:24:15]:
Yeah, I would say looking backwards. So we know that everything starts in the mind, so everything is psychological, and then it becomes physical, so we know thoughts into things. It's the perpetual transmutation of energy. You can't fight it. It's physics. So all of our thoughts will eventually become something. But what we also have to understand, though, then, is from the day that we plant the seed in the mind in the womb of creation, which is a subconscious mind, we are going to observe it after. And so when you are, let's say, for example, today, you launch your business and yada, yada, and then you go and you look at your bank account, and there's nothing in your bank account.
Kathleen Cameron [00:24:54]:
You're essentially looking backwards because you're looking at the bank account that existed of Vanessa two months ago, before you did all the transformative work. So I really never look backwards. I am always looking forwards and present and present forward. So that's the spirituality meets personal growth and development. It's, how can I be in the now and be present and to experience this human experience in front of me? But how can I be thinking psychologically from an imaginative space, which is the future that I'm going to bring into the physical? So that's why I say most people are looking backwards. You're hoping to see right now a shift in your results, and. And you can't do that. So you.
Kathleen Cameron [00:25:35]:
You have to be okay with being in the in between. I always say I'm so good at that. I thrive in the in between.
Vanessa Grutman [00:25:41]:
You do?
Kathleen Cameron [00:25:42]:
Yes, because we're always in between something. So as soon as I reach one goal, I'm going to create another one, and then I'm going to create another one. So. So I'm always in this in between phase, and I'm very aware of when I'm in it, and I'm like, yeah, it feels good to be here. I'm okay. You know what, universe? You can keep me here as long as you want. I prefer it right now, but I don't need it to be anytime. And so I let God take his responsibilities, which is the how and the when, and then I just take care of mine.
Vanessa Grutman [00:26:07]:
Mm hmm. Yeah. It's so true that we, you know, we are very impatient, and that's. I think there's a lot of programming into that.
Kathleen Cameron [00:26:14]:
Right.
Vanessa Grutman [00:26:15]:
That's how we've been taught to, you know, we do something, we expect a result. We do something, we expect a result. Like you said, we have to factor in the transformation that comes into play and the planting of the seeds. And. And the in between, I guess, is also this time where infinite possibility can happen. Right. So this in between is also where you can be surprised.
Kathleen Cameron [00:26:38]:
Well, and I do believe I read somewhere that, like, 95% of your manifestation is actually done behind the scenes before you ever observe it. And that belief, like, believing that idea, whether that's truth or not, it does not matter. I made it my truth. And so when I made that my truth, now I'm like, oh, it's all here. And it's happening. 95% of it is done. And now all I have to do is observe it. And so in the moments where it doesn't look like it's here, I'm like, oh, no.
Kathleen Cameron [00:27:04]:
But there's all this work. You know, the bridge of incidents is unfolding. That's a Neville Goddard language. But, like, literally, the universe is aligning in ways that you cannot see. And so when you're looking backwards and saying, well, where is it? I can't see it. It's not showing up for me. It's not working. My manifestation isn't here.
Kathleen Cameron [00:27:21]:
You're actually just going back to an old version of yourself and slowing things right down.
Vanessa Grutman [00:27:27]:
Yeah. So trust, really, right? It comes down to this trust, even in the unknown, even when we don't have the evidence as yet, just sticking to this truth that we know about us, this vision, this mission, I don't know how you call it, but this one thing that keeps us moving forward.
Kathleen Cameron [00:27:46]:
Oh, yeah. And I'm so good at building stories. So I'll create, like, a next level identity, and then I'll be like, okay, so let's look around at the world, and how can I create a story of all the ways in which it's showing up for me right now? And so when I do that, I am literally building the idea in my mind that it's already here. It's already done. I'm already her. And all I have to do is just keep showing up as this version. And look, the evidence is everywhere. So it's like spirit signs.
Kathleen Cameron [00:28:16]:
It's the butterfly in the window. Like, it's everything. It's like, oh, well, I got introduced to you because there must be divine purpose. It must mean that this connection is going to lead to this. And so I do build and create stories all the time that serve me, and then I tell myself that story, and guess what? We manifest from our stories. So it hasn't failed me yet.
Vanessa Grutman [00:28:37]:
Oh, my gosh. I love this. I love this idea of creating stories. I had not heard it like this before, but it's. I mean, I guess some of us do that intuitively without really realizing it, but I love to bring intention to it. I remembered what I wanted to say when you talked about, you know, failed marriage and whatnot, you know, really being also okay with the fact that when, when you are in union with yourself, when you remember your truth, when you remember you are love, there's no such thing as failure.
Kathleen Cameron [00:29:11]:
Right?
Vanessa Grutman [00:29:11]:
I'd love to hear you on this. Yeah.
Kathleen Cameron [00:29:13]:
Oh, my gosh. One of my favorite books is a return to love by Marianne Williamson. It was really, really life changing. And I read it actually just after the separation, probably six months after my separation, I read it. And you know what Marianne really, really believes, and I know that she, she took a lot of excerpts from a course in miracles, but what she really, really believed that is that we are either love or fear. We're not anything but one of those two things. And when you are in love, that is your highest connection point to God, because God is love. So when you move yourself into a fear state and you allow yourself to observe the experience of fear, you've moved out of love.
Kathleen Cameron [00:29:58]:
And so for me, everything is, how can I do this in a loving perspective? Loving towards myself, loving towards others, loving towards the world as a whole, other people. And notice when I move into fear. And so when we move into fear, that says, you're not good enough, you don't know enough, you haven't achieved enough. The success isn't here. Here, your manifestations aren't coming. Recognizing that, oh, wow, I've just moved into fear. Right now is so good because, you know, the solution then, is just to move yourself into love. So how can I go and express my love to somebody right now? How can I give myself validation and love in this moment? How can I love on my business more? This is, this is one of the things that the majority of people that do come and find me that have their own businesses.
Kathleen Cameron [00:30:46]:
What I often find when things are not going well in their business, they lose the love and gratitude that they have towards their business. And if you don't value something, if you don't love it, is it going to flourish? Is it going to grow? It's like you're no longer watering your garden. It's just going to. And I'm horrible at gardens, so, like, I have people that, like, do it, but I'm good at watering my mind garden, but just not the outdoor garden. But truly that's, that's what it is. And so I always move people into a place of, LiKe, what has your business done for you? What do you love about it? What are you grateful for? Let's fall in love with the business again, and then fall in love with yourself. Change the identity, and then people will literally change no single strategy in their business whatsoever. And they will Ten x their results.
Kathleen Cameron [00:31:28]:
Why? Because it's all about you and what you believe to be true. And you are the magic. You are the power.
Vanessa Grutman [00:31:35]:
Anyways, so do you see your business? I always say your business is alive. It has its Own energy. Do you see that, too? Like, do you? Oh, it's almost like you're in a relationship with your business.
Kathleen Cameron [00:31:51]:
So I have a tattoo on my ankle, and it's like I made it look like it's an anklet. And I have my two daughters initials. And then I have a diamond for diamond Academy. So I always say that this business is like my third daughter. Like, I treat it with that level of nurturing, with love and respect, and it is my family. And so, like, even every single member of my team, I call them my family. And every single client that enrolls in any course or program or retreat, we welcome them to the Diamond Academy family. And it's because of that love that we have for what we do, for our business, for our team, and for our clients that I think it really is flourishing.
Kathleen Cameron [00:32:34]:
And I'm also at a place, too, where, like, I see the bigger and the greater calling here, and it's not about me or the money. And so, like, people hear me talk about the money, I'm like, I know, but you have to understand that I actually don't care about it. Like, I desire it, for sure. I'll set a money goal and I'll call that money in. Let's go. But I do that for the outcome of how many people's lives are impacted through that, not because I want to see a number of my bank account to make me feel good enough. It's not about that anymore. Yeah.
Kathleen Cameron [00:33:03]:
So I've let a lot of ego go. I use my ego for good, for sure. But the parts of it that keep me small keep me limited. I've released a lot of it and how. It's such a beautiful self awareness. I love the ego. I think we have an idea of what the ego is. And so many people think that the ego is a bad thing.
Kathleen Cameron [00:33:30]:
You know, even the. The language of ego stands for edging God out. Okay? We have an ego because God gave us that ego. It's actually part of who we are. And it is one of the most powerful tools that you have. And when you can learn to control it, to have a soul led ego versus a human led ego, you will see magic happen in your life. So I love the language of personal mind, and I started using personal mind for a while because I I wanted to stop reacting to the word ego. People think ego is like a big head, but, like, the personal mind, the ego is when you make something about you, it's truly when you make it about you.
Kathleen Cameron [00:34:11]:
So you say something to me, I make it about me. You're upset with somebody, or you don't come to my party, and I make it about me when you're sick in bed, you know, like, we do this all the time. So I truly have tapped into the ability to notice and observe my ego when it's productive versus non productive, when I'm taking things personal and making it about me and when I'm allowing it to be about others. So, for example, a soul led use of the ego was the first vision board. I created that vision board with. You know, it said $2 million. I had a hot tub, a Louis vuitton purse, a new MacBook. Like, every single thing on that vision board I have, it's done.
Kathleen Cameron [00:34:50]:
Like, and I did it within maybe seven or eight months. And what's so cool about that, though, was I used the ego making it about me and what I was going to benefit from to build a coaching academy that has served over 100,000 people and changed so many lives. And so to me, yes, the ego can be very good, and it can be very controlled. But you have to know when your ego is not being productive. I actually have a little joke. I say, my clients will know this. I say, my human is out. So, like, if I'm in my ego, I'm taking something personal.
Kathleen Cameron [00:35:25]:
I'm offended. I'm angry. I'm insulted. I'm frustrated. My human's out right now. And so I let my human have the full experience because we can't cut off from it. We have to feel all the feelings. But then I'm like, okay, how can I move back into the soul's perspective? How can I go back into a higher level of awareness? And how can I guide my ego towards good instead of for evil?
Vanessa Grutman [00:35:48]:
Hmm. Beautiful. I'm curious as I look at you, you know, Kathleen, CEO of this almost $30 million business to date. I'd love to know, what are your days looking like? Okay.
Kathleen Cameron [00:36:05]:
People will be surprised. And it took me a long time to be okay with saying this, because the world wants you to earn it, wants you to work really, really hard, and wants you to have a really tough life to prove that you're worth that. But I work probably three days a week. I will not take more than two to three zooms in a row. So this is my last one for today. My assistant knows I don't want to take any more than that. I work part time in my business. I travel anywhere around the world anytime.
Kathleen Cameron [00:36:37]:
And when I do more intensive experiences, I also do intensive spa days. Alongside it, I do intensive rest and recovery. So, yeah, people think I should be working like a, like a crazy person, but I don't think I need to. I think I can create a really beautiful life that is balanced. Like, I'm going to the dentist after this. I won't work again today and Thursday. I'm not going to the spa all day Friday. I have lashes and laserdhe.
Kathleen Cameron [00:37:10]:
I know, I know. I love it.
Vanessa Grutman [00:37:12]:
No, but I actually, that's why I asked you, because I could, I had a feeling. And this is the paradigm shift. This is exactly the conversation that people need to hear because I come from hustle, ground, grind and burnout. And I know that that's only going to help you tap into your, the limited version of yourself. And so what we're talking about here is just to remove the captain. And to do that, you need to be a little bit more in that. You know, I'm sure that even when you have your lashes done, you probably are still in creation mode. Like, you never really let go of that relationship you have with your business.
Vanessa Grutman [00:37:49]:
You always have her on the mind, just like you have your daughters on the mind, but you're in a different space, you're more receiving, creating, right?
Kathleen Cameron [00:37:59]:
Well, yeah, yeah. And it's a newer, it's a newer awareness too. And I was just talking to my one on one clients before this about it. And she's getting to this place now. So it was really beautiful for us to have the synergy, but she's like, you know, somebody asked me the other day, Kathleen, like, what do you do to connect to your oneness? What do you do to manifest? How often do you visualize and how often this and how often that. And she's like, and you know what I told them? I connect to my oneness when I wake up and be connected. Like, I don't do something to be it, I just am it. And even with me, like, I don't sit down and play music and do a guided visualization anymore because I exist in my imagination.
Kathleen Cameron [00:38:37]:
So, like, when I walk around in this world now, I'm walking around as the elevated, ascended, grandest version of myself as much as I possibly can. There are moments where I'll be aware. I'll be like, oh, that's, that's, that's an old version of me coming back. Interesting pivot and move. But it is this almost effortless existence of embodying what I do and I do go back to, okay, if I was a novice again, what would I do? And I teach from that place. But I also now serve other individuals that are at this higher level of awareness that are like, okay, but I don't want to do that. And I'm like, we're not going to do that anymore. My coaching is very different based on where you are in your level of awareness and what you want to learn, you know? And with some of my higher level coaching clients, these are like multimillionaires, like $60 million income earners.
Kathleen Cameron [00:39:30]:
It's about ask for guidance this morning about what your morning routine should be. We're not going to do. We're not going to do this rigid, mechanical, masculine, step by step morning routine. You're going to listen to God today and what God thinks that you should do. That would be the best thing to get you into that vibrational state that you need to be in. And so that's the true let. And the surrender is when you allow yourself to just be.
Vanessa Grutman [00:39:53]:
Yeah, yeah. You allow your intuition to take over. Yeah, I love that.
Kathleen Cameron [00:39:58]:
Absolutely. Yeah.
Vanessa Grutman [00:39:59]:
Oh, so beautiful. Now, I want to honor your time. I know you're rushing to the dentist next, so I want to respect that. Can you tell us, where can people find you if they. I'm sure they're all lit up right now. So where can they find you?
Kathleen Cameron [00:40:14]:
Yeah, so instagram seems to be a place a lot of people like to find me. Kathleen Cameron manifests and then the YouTube, you know, I changed my identity and my YouTube went viral. So that is growing rapidly and magically, and I'm so grateful for that. So I think it's also Kathleen Cameron manifests on YouTube as well. And the manifested podcast with Kathleen Cameron is on. On the YouTube. We actually stream it, and it's just. It's so beautiful because when you realize that everything that you want is actually already manifested and all you have to do is match it, it.
Kathleen Cameron [00:40:46]:
It makes this effortless, truly effortless.
Vanessa Grutman [00:40:50]:
Beautiful. Thank you so much for this rich conversation. We could have gone for hours, but I really appreciate everything you have given us here. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. And I will see you on the Internet.
Kathleen Cameron [00:41:01]:
You're so welcome. Thank you.
